Printable View
It is not the VPAK although that could help in the same way because you would go to the bigger cams early and timing is retarded when you go into VTEC.
I think you can solve the problems without the box for the most part as I have outlined previously. The addition of the TPS mod is going to make it the easiest because it will be the way to get the fuel as soon as boost starts that is currently done by higher tip in pressures.
I am lobbying for this future update to be supplied to ITR owners.
Excellent work here guys! The thread has really turned for the better now. This new device will be a killer addition to the package. I too will be tooking into this. If it was able to get a stock R with some fuel mods to 202whp, I can't imangine what it will do for me! http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif
Thanks again to everyone here for your continuing help! Heck I remember when I was one of the only JRSC R owners here. Now look, we are flooding the threads like mad with data. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif
I'll keep you all updated with info. BTW-Since my company had no internet connection up till now, I worked on some new data for my site. I will be implimenting this extra data ASAP. (What else is their to do at a .com with no internet! LoL)
------------------
Mike Marsey
'98 ITR #0717
Supercharged!
For all your JRSC type R questions, go to:
http://www.geocities.com/superchargedtyper/
This was originally a non-positive comment. I wrote it before this thread went in a good direction. I don't want to turn the flames back on, but you can guess what I said!
Greg
[This message has been edited by Holden (edited January 18, 2001).]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
So the recommendation right now for the lack of power is as follows (me paraphrasing my conversation with OJ):
Stock fuel pump
45-55 psi at Tip in (vacuum hose removed)
Relay with resistor
Important part
BTC (To keep the mid range detonation away because it will now be leaner 13:1)
OR Rafes TPS mod to get the fuel right away OR both.
[This message has been edited by mr detail (edited January 18, 2001).][/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
First off, thanks Shawn for stepping up to the microphone. Are you saying that if I use Rafe's TPS mod to control tip-in, and then lower my baseline fp to 45-55psi (vacuum hose removed), along with using my BTC, my fuel problems should be solved? Is there something else I'm missing? I'm not a car guru, so please explain it to me like I'm a 4-year old.
Also Shawn, if this black box solves the itr's fuel problems, then I don't need my v-afc, do I? My dyno session this Sat is to tune with the v-afc. If this new black box will make my v-afc absolete, then my dyno session will be a waste of time and money. Please let me know asap. As always, THANKS!!
------------------
'00ITR#739
JRSC, JR Walbro FP, JR intake, J&S SafeGuard, JR BTC, v-afc
Greg:
I don't know brett. Have never met him, but it is possible he doesn't know what was put on his car. I know how Oscar works and he could have told him he was trying some new settings or something so people don't start poking around at wires under the hood.
Benefit of the doubt?
Shawn
I to, have heard of Rajaffey TPS mod, although, I have no idea what to do, I can perform this tomorrow, if it just a simple relay.. Someone email me with instructions or posts that have DETAILED instructions on how to do this MOD.
Shawn, I got your email, and will give you a call tomorrow if your going to be in.
Thanks
Jason
I will be here tomorrow.
BAT call me 800-689-9307.
Thanks Shawn, I'll drop you a line tomorrow.
Jim
Shawn,
Yeah, I'm not going on a warpath here. BUT... people without grease under their fingernails shouldn't attempt to lecture on this board.
It's all good. Peace.
Greg
brettd, sorry to burst your bubble, but you can screw with the results a Dyno gives you. Why do you think that every manufacturer claims a hp increase, and many offer Dyno plots showing the gain? It is not all that difficult to alter the results of a pull to give results more along the lines you want.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Holden:
Shawn,
Yeah, I'm not going on a warpath here. BUT... people without grease under their fingernails shouldn't attempt to lecture on this board.
It's all good. Peace.
Greg<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Grease, loctite, silicon, oil, anti freeze. If it gets too bad I have to use Plasti-guage just to "floss it out!" I've turned a few wrenches...Greg, Check out my post "Wow look what I started!" Peace to you as well.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zeus:
I didn't want to be a part of this, until I saw it turn around...
childish flame wars do nothing to better our knowledge... Its nice to see some of our valued "younger" members "catch" themselves, and start to contribute the quality information that "they" are becoming known for...
brettd,
One "hot rod" father to another... no one here metioned the unprofessional treatment that myself and many others on this board received from "Keith and the gang". Truth be known, this probably has more to due with the hard feelings here than the issues with the SC kits.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I understand. I think they were as frustrated as you and tired of getting beat up. I think the technology just wasn't there to do what they are doing now. Hopefully it turns for the better. OOOPS...gotta go, gotta toddler wailing!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zeus:
One "hot rod" father to another... no one here metioned the unprofessional treatment that myself and many others on this board received from "Keith and the gang". Truth be known, this probably has more to due with the hard feelings here than the issues with the SC kits.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
EXACTLY!!!
------------------
Marc
1997 Civic EX
The supercharger is gone. Get ready for the turbo.
Want to know why I got rid of the JRSC? http://crx.honda-perf.org/horror/jrsc.html
I didn't want to be a part of this, until I saw it turn around...
childish flame wars do nothing to better our knowledge... Its nice to see some of our valued "younger" members "catch" themselves, and start to contribute the quality information that "they" are becoming known for...
brettd,
One "hot rod" father to another... no one here metioned the unprofessional treatment that myself and many others on this board received from "Keith and the gang". Truth be known, this probably has more to due with the hard feelings here than the issues with the SC kits.
------------------
1998' 4dr GSR, 8psi JRSC w/hand ported plenum, 320cc injectors, Cartech adj. FMU, Walbro HP fuel pump, TPS trick in the works, valves set to .005i/.006e, MSD BTM, B&M CommandFlo regulator, stock intake w/ITR "cool air" resinator, Greddy sp exhaust, Tokico Illumina 5-ways, ITR springs, Skunkworks 22mm rear swaybar(removed due to mount torn out at present), ES motor mounts and front swaybar bushings, 205/50WR/15 Kumho Supra 712s, KVR Carbon Fibre pads, Super blue dot 4 brake fluid, B&M fuel pressure gauge, Autometer sport comp A/F gauge in dimmer location
...
YLW 00' Type R #00-1011 with "special tuning" and 143db triple air horns
Honest officer, I had no idea how fast I was going...the speedometer only gos to 150...
Well I just got back from Phoenix and got a chance to read all this. I'm really glad to hear that there are some new things coming to help out. I'll be there next Thursday and hopefully my car will feel like a new one.
Since this is a public forum, i'd like to take this moment to give my opinions so far.
1) Jackson Racing (Oscar and Shawn) do appear to making a very concerted effort to help us out and corect this documented problem.
2) For all other kits the BTC is not necessary, but for the ITR the BTC is necessary and should be included in the kit.
3) We are living in exciting times and things are changing rapidly. New technology is emerging which is allowing us to tune and upgrade our cars like we never believed possible. I admit that i've come close to giving up, but if what I am hearing is true then there is still hope and maybe, just maybe the end result will be well worth the trials and tribulations I've gone through to get there.
4) I think some things have been said in haste that in retrospect should have been kept quiet, but hindsight is 20/20. Had we all not found each other on these message boards then we may have never realized we all had the same problem, and by all sharing information and experiences, both good and bad we can both learn and grow and share this knowledge with others and make a difference.
I do not claim to be an expert, but I have done my research, and have become fairly well informed.
[This message has been edited by Spunkster (edited January 20, 2001).]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spunkster:
Well I just got back from Phoenix and got a chance to read all this. I'm really glad to hear that there are some new things coming to help out. I'll be there next Thursday and hopefully my car will feel like a new one.
Since this is a public forum, i'd like to take this moment to give my opinions so far.
1) Jackson Racing (Oscar and Shawn) do appear to making a very concerted effort to help us out and corect this documented problem.
2) For all other kits the BTC is not necessary, but for the ITR the BTC is necessary and should be included in the kit.
3) We are living in exciting times and things are changing rapidly. New technology is emerging which is allowing us to tune and upgrade our cars like we never believed possible. I admit that i've come close to giving up, but if what I am hearing is true then there is still hope and maybe, just maybe the end result will be well worth the trials and tribulations I've gone through to get there.
4) I think some things have been said in haste that in retrospect should have been kept quiet, but hindsight is 20/20. Had we all not found each other on these message boards then we may have never realized we all had the same problem, and by all sharing information and experiences, both good and bad we can both learn and grow and share this knowledge with others and make a difference.
I do not claim to be an expert, but I have done my research, and have become fairly well informed.
[This message has been edited by Spunkster (edited January 20, 2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know I'm new to the board, BUT....
Well said.
This is my first post on the forced induction board. I crossed over to the dark side 18 months ago and this site rocks. I was glad to see Shawn,A.K.A. Mr.Detail ,responding to problems with JR installations,recently. I know a lot of us like to bag on JR for various reasons, but I've always found Shawn to be helpful when I've called JR with problems in the past.And having Shawn on this site might help JR to be aware of some of the problems we have, especially with the Type R install. Anyhow, thats my 2 cents worth.
------------------
Does anyone know how we can fix the top end of our type R's without a fuel controller or ect,,,,,
Lets say maybe a different resistor for the JR relay.. I heard someone had it done, and it helped tremendously, for only a few bucks, without tripping codes..
If its the ecu thats dumping to much fuel in the engine, then There has to be a cheap way to fix it than, spending shitloads of money, on stuff that not really necessary on a stock R with JRSC.. But I'm not sure though.
What i'm saying is, i rather fix this problem myself than getting the run around from engineered.net here in atlanta, or anyone else for that matter.. or spending 300$ on a fuel controller, that i really don't need right now, especially to fix a top end problem that has to due mainly to JR Fuel Enrichment Relay, and our Factory ECU's......
Anyhelp appreciated.......
I also, talked to a few people about my timeslips, and why the MPH was so LOW, its either 1. the richness at the topend making me loose power, or 2. Stock exhaust holding me back...
I'm good till after the 1/8mile, after that it just runs shitty.... anyone with high 13's timeslips, use yours to break these down.
RT: .456 RT: .28
60ft: 2.3 60FT: 2.3
1/8 9.5 1/8 9.6
1/8MPH 75.55 1/8MPH 77.7
1/4 14.6 1/4 14.7
MPH 93.6 MPH 94.5
Now I was running about the same MPH STOCK that i'm doing now SUPERCHARGED...
I know high 13's are there, but or atleast 14flats, but something just isn't right with those 1/4MPH vs 1/8MPH,
Please HELP us WITH OUR JRSC R's,, AMEN LORD http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif
[This message has been edited by 00ITR006 (edited January 22, 2001).]
anyone?
So far, I've gone from 172whp to 192whp mostly by tuning the a/f up high with the v-afc. After talking with Shawn at JR, I plan to take a different approach now.
If the weather cooperates next weekend, I'm going to try JR's new advice. I'm going to switch back to the stock fuel pump and lower tip-in fuel pressure to 45-50. Then, I'll install Rafe's TPS trick (thanks Greg for walking me through this) to control tip-in detonation. According to JR, this with the BTC should yield 200whp. I'll let you guys know how it works. Not looking forward to tearing out the back seat to get at the fuel pump...looks like a nasty job.
------------------
'00ITR#739
JRSC, JR Walbro FP, JR intake, J&S SafeGuard, JR BTC, v-afc
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 00ITR006:
anyone?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As you've probably read earlier in this thread..it was done by JR on my car. (and my cousin's car) It virtually eliminates the ECU fuel problem @ the top end. I don't know the exact plans on this new "box" or how it will be distributed (ie. price), but it works. Mr. Detail gave a pretty good description of the process earlier. I e-mailed the scanned dyno results form work to home today and to my dismay they didn't make it. (file was probably too big) Starting tomorrow I'm out of town for a week so I'm going to try to get it scanned again tonight before I leave. If not "Spunkster" will have something for you soon. Thanks for your patience. (and I don't know why I don't have a scanner yet) Wish me luck!
Well I'll be leaving for Westminster tomorrow after work...around 1am. I just got the BTC this afternoon and will be taking that with me to have installed and also whatever other mods Oscar wants to do. I bought the stuff for the rjaffy tps relay mod, but never installed them. And i won't be able to bring that stuff with me as it's in Phoenix. But I'm gonna take my stock fuel pump with me too in case he wants to put it back in. I will keep everyone posted as to the results of what happens. I'll give any of you a call if you email me with your phone #. [email protected]
I'm also going to be taking my oem intake with me.....just in case we run into problems and I'll go back to stock. Lets hope that doesn't happen.
Check my site for fuel pump install instructions and pictures. It's not hard at all.
------------------
Greg Holden
96 GSR, JSRC @6psi, AEM CAI/RSR 4-2-1/Greddy PE, Cartech 20005/Walbro GSS-342/TPS Mod, JR BTC, KYB AGX/H&R OE Sport/ST 19mm Rear Swaybar
Best 1/4 ==> 13.937 @ 101.41mph
My JRSC Install Site